Israel’s Facts on the Grounds

From an English newspaper: The Guardian.

ORGINAL ARTICLE

What you call ‘settlements’ are on solid moral ground

What our detractors refer to as ‘settlements’ are no threat to peace. Others must recognise that we are part of the solution

Catherine Ashton, the EU’s high representative for foreign affairs, is a vocal critic of the Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria. Referring to them as “settlements”, she claimed last week that they “threaten to make a two-state solution impossible” and called on Israel “to immediately end all settlement activities beyond the green line, including East Jerusalem”. Obviously, Ashton has never visited a “settlement”, like almost all of her colleagues in the international diplomatic high echelons. Nevertheless they consider themselves experts on the matter.

One notable exception is the former US president Jimmy Carter, who visited Gush Etzion in 2009. Carter is well known for his harsh criticism of Israel, considered by many as sheer hostility towards the Jewish state. So shocked was he by the reality on the ground, he stated: “This particular settlement is not one that I envision ever being abandoned, or changed over into a Palestinian territory.” The contrast between Carter’s statement and Ashton’s reminded me of a recent statement by Israel’s finance minister, Yair Lapid: “I used to have so many opinions before I learned the facts.”

In 2009 I was invited to meet Tony Blair, the special envoy of the quartet (the UN, US, Russia and the EU) for the Middle East. At the end of our conversation I invited him to visit the communities whose future we had just discussed. He declined, saying: “I can see them from my helicopter.” “From the helicopter,” I replied, “you can’t see the faces, look into the eyes and understand their aspirations.” Blair, like many of his peers, continues to fly over our heads.

More than 360,000 Israelis live in almost 200 communities across Judea and Samaria, with 200,000 more in East Jerusalem. That’s more than half a million people. Our endeavour stands on solid moral ground.

This week marks 46 years since the agonising days of June 1967, when the Arab world physically tried to annihilate Israel. We defeated them and liberated the strategic hills that overlook 70% of Israel’s population. If partition of this contested land was ever the just solution to the conflict, it ceased the moment one side refused. It was not a mere rejection: they launched repeated assaults to take it all by force. Returning Israel to its indefensible nine-mile waistline would once again place us in mortal danger, while rewarding the aggressor.

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And now for the readers’s responses:

FOLLOW UP LETTERS

Israel and facts on the moral ground
The Guardian, Monday 10 June 2013 16.00 EDT

• Dani Dayan’s article turns logic on its head and is an example of the old technique of hoping that if you say something often enough, in this case “solid moral ground” (five times) it will be believed. The settlements are a blatant – and under international law illegal – occupation of land belonging to someone else. Apparently, according to Dayan, the fact that over half a million live there makes them legal. Apparently looking into the eyes and faces of settlers would make the settlements legal.

Apparently the right of Jews to live in certain places is inalienable because they are cradles of Jewish civilisation. On this argument there would have to be hundreds of population exchanges throughout the world – many of claimants who occupied lands far more recently than Jews occupied Palestine.
Joseph Cocker
Leominster

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My own view is nuanced. (The view of LatinArabia)

I do NOT see the settlements as a violation of International Law; but I do see new settlements as a violation of the OSLO ACCORDS – which I think Israel should never have agreed to. In fact, I think Israel should ditch OSLO.

The OSLO ACCORDS prohibit unilateral actions. New Settlements are unilateral actions.

I do not mind if Israel builds new settlements; but Israel should stop the pretense of abiding by Oslo, when in fact it also violates Oslo – the Arabs violate OSLO all the time.

So OSLO should be ditched.

That being said: I think Israel should:

1) Pay young, landless Arabs to leave
2) Slowly enfranchise the remainder over time
3) Annex Judea and Samaria

In the end, the International Law argument used by Israel’s critics is flawed.

That does not mean that everything Dani Dayan asserts is right; but it means the International Law argument used by Israel’s critics is flawed.

Dayan is trying to justify the settlements to a hostile world. He should forget about that.

I cannot tell a Jew he does not have a right to settle the land. I can tell a Jew that he shouldn’t abuse the Arabs on the land – and sadly, some Jews do abuse the Arabs.

However, let’s be honest. The Arabs are often worse.

Settlements are not contrary to International Law, but they are contrary to OLSO. Since neither side obeys OSLO, OSLO should be declared dead.

I am Palestinian – Chile

This is a video that I translated in 2013.

The is the UGEP (General Union of Palestinian Students) in Chile.

The Palestinians are elites in Chile, and they are swinging the policies of an up and coming Chile. Chile is now first world, and the rising star of Latin America.

FREE PALESTINE - UGEP - Chile
FREE PALESTINE
Building a bridge of dialogue
in place of a Separational Wall.

The General Union of Palestinians Students (UGEP in Spanish) is not a small force to be ignored.

Yasser Arafat came out the Mideastern Branch of the Palestinian Student Union.

As you can see by that map on the poster, above, The UGEP does not recognize Israel at all.  As far as the UGEP is concerned, all of Israel is Palestine.

The video above portrays idealistic Chilean Youth. No doubt, many are.  What the video does not show is that the UGEP advocates the destruction of Israel.  The poster’s words advocate dialogue.  The poster’s map advocate destruction.

The UGEP, even in Chile where almost all Palestinians are Christian, advocates a very hard party line.

It may not look as severe because the women are Christians, and not burqa clad women with their roiling tongue curdling screams; but in the end, they advocate no less that their Muslim cousins.


Note: My own view is nuanced: Historically, the  Jew have the best claim to Israel for many reasons. I do not see Jews as invaders to their own patrimony in the Mideast.  The Jews do have a claim to the land.

But, sadly, neither can I deny that the Israelis ethnically cleansed the Palestinians in 1948 and 1967, nor that Palestinians were and are mistreated.  No nation is perfect.   We Americans were not perfect.   Chile – the nation these youth live in how – was guilty of ethnically cleansing its Mapuche and Quechua Indians.   No nation is perfect.

Innocent people were hurt in 1948; and yes, that includes innocent Arabs.

Unlike these youth, I do NOT  think the destruction of Israel as a homeland for the Jews is the answer. That would be insane.  Destroying or re-defining the Jewishness out of Israel is not the answer to the problem.

Israel has a right to be the homeland for the Jewish people.

There is too much hurt, too much history, and too much blood, for the Jews to surrender their state.

Sadly, there is too much hurt, too much history, and too much blood, for the Palestinians to forget.

Islam is too radicalized for the Israeli Jews to trust their fate to a one-state solution, which allows for the Palestinians to return; and which restores an angry Islamic majority to the land. Israeli Jews will never do it. Nor should they be asked to dissolve their state.


THE BEST SOLUTION
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I think the best solution is to pay the Palestinians to leave for the West, preferably South America, which has  history of assimilating the Arabs well.

Pay them well … about $100,000 per Palestinian.

This may not be a totally just solution, but it is the least destructive.   I know it is awful to ask the Palestinians to surrender their claims to the land; but the only alternative is nuclear war – a nuclear war where they would be targeted.

I know some will say: It is not right to write the Palestinians out of history.  You are right!

Indeed it is wrong to write the Palestinians out of history.

It would be FAR MORE WRONG to write Israel out of history.

Ultimately – as cruel as it may sound – this cold logic applies:  If there are 22 Arab states, it would be wrong to dismantle the only Jewish state to correct the injustice and to restore another Arab state.

It is wrong to deny the Palestinians a right to return, but it is MORE WRONG to dismantle Israel as the homeland for the Jews.

There is no  completely just solution here … only a less destructive one.

Denying Israel is NOT the answer.

The Jewish right to Israel and Jerusalem is solid.

I am not saying Palestinians were not hurt; but the destruction of Israel is NOT the answer.

Finally, there is a spiritual side to this.

On the spiritual side, Israel is totally right.   There may be some political wrongs, but in the end, Israel has the better claim.


November 15, 2023: Edited: Made more mobile friendly.
June 12, 2024: Edited: Removed a dead video. Changed text.

Arab Rebirth in Chile

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Palestine Club – Arab Language Classes
Basic and Intermediate Level
Just as Jews in America are discovering their Hebrew roots, even so the Palestinians of Chile are discovering their Arab roots.

They are doing this even though most Palestinians in Chile are intermarried, with Spanish, German, and Italian Chileans. Only 30% of Chilean Palestinians are descended from Palestinians on both the paternal and maternal sides. They are a well integrated, and well-to-do community in Chile. Yet, inspite of this, they are returning to their Arab roots.

To the right, we see an offering for Arab Language Classes at the Palestine Club in Chile. The Palestine Club is one of the more Prestigious Clubs in Chile.


Urban Intervention for Palestine
Public protests in Chile

The Palestinian-Chileans are now a major political force to be reckoned with in Chile.

They are advancing some ugly causes in Chile – as you can see on the video to the left, a boycott of Israel is one of them.

Now, if this were merely supporting one side in a conflict, this might be understandable, but the Israel-Palestinian conflict is larger than just two peoples. There is an Islamic aspect to this which concerns a conflict of West vs. Islam; Freedom vs. a Caliphate Tyranny.

If the Palestinians of Chile want to get involved with the Palestine issue, they should show more discretion. I do not see such discretion coming out of the Palestinians in Chile.

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