A New Jewish State: Plan Andinia?! You Gotta Be Kidding!

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Sometimes you have to wonder if the safe assumption is that people are generally idiots, because this next story is proof that people will believe the most ridiculous things.

Worse yet, this idiocy is being pushed by Iran’s HispanTV. HispanTV is a propaganda outlet which, sadly, has influence in South America.

But first, we have to do a backgrounder.

WHAT IS PATAGONIA?

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Patagonia is in red.
Modified from Wikipedia Original.

Patagonia is the southern most region of South America, split between both Argentina and Chile. It was settled – by white governments – very late in history, only by the last quarter of the nineteenth century.

Until then, it was very sparsely populated – chiefly by native Mapuche and Tehuelche people – and up for grabs. Indeed Chile and Argentina vied for the area. They only agreed to split it around 1879, when Chile was at war with Peru and Bolivia.

So to Europeans, it was considered available for the taking, not really settled by anyone.

THE ORIGINAL ZIONISTS CONSIDERED ARGENTINA?

When Herzl published THE JEWISH STATE in 1896, his goal was to set up a state for the Jewish people, as an ethnic group … an ethnostate, where Jews would be safe. The security of the Jewish people was the primary issue. The location of this Jewish State was of secondary concern. Since the Holy Land was then controlled by Ottoman Turkey, Herzl pondered if areas of Argentina (which was then sparsely populated, even by whites) would make an agreeable area for a Jewish state.

In fact, Herzl wrote in the Jewish State …

Source: The Jewish State – Jewish Virtual Library

PALESTINE OR ARGENTINE?

Shall we choose Palestine or Argentine? We shall take what is given us, and what is selected by Jewish public opinion. The Society will determine both these points.

Argentine is one of the most fertile countries in the world, extends over a vast area, has a sparse population and a mild climate. The Argentine Republic would derive considerable profit from the cession of a portion of its territory to us. The present infiltration of Jews has certainly produced some discontent, and it would be necessary to enlighten the Republic on the intrinsic difference of our new movement.

However, even though Patagonia was not spelled out as the specific area in mind, it surely was considered.

It was true that Argentina was in debt and could use the money. It was true that Argentina was sparsely populated and could have spared a province or two.

Indeed, a Jewish philanthropist, Baron Maurice de Hirsch, had already set up a Jewish community [old video from 2011] in the Sante Fe Province of Argentina, in the subtropical pampas, northwest of Buenos Aires. He claimed to have secured promises from Argentine authorities to set up an autonomous province.

Source: 130 Jewish families arrived in Buenos Aires – World Jewish Congress.

On 14 August 1889, 130 Jewish families fleeing antisemitism and persecution in the Russian Empire arrived in Buenos Aires, Argentina, to restart their lives and begin a Jewish community. While the 824 Russian Jews were not the first Jews to arrive in Argentina, they were the first to establish a Jewish agricultural settlement in South America.

ARGENTINA WAS DISCUSSED AT THE FIRST ZIONIST CONGRESS

At the First Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland, in 1897, the idea was brought up.

Source: The Jewish Homeland – Rabbi Wein

[Emphasis Mine]

[Baron Hirsch] claimed that the Argentinean government acquiesced in this project and would cooperate fully in creating a Jewish autonomous state in Argentina. The representative of Baron Hirsch spoke for three and a half hours explaining the plan and pledging the resources of Baron Hirsch to its fulfillment. At midnight, after Hirsch’s representative finally finished his presentation and sat down, an old, stooped figure arose. He was Rabbi Shmuel Mohilever, the rabbi of Biyalistok and one of the founders of Chovevei Tziyon. He said: “May the Lord bless Baron Hirsch for his interest and endeavors and grant him long life and success. But we are going only to the Land of Israel.” And that statement ended the meeting.

However, the delegates at that Zionist Congress insisted on returning to the Holy Land. They would accept nothing less. The idea of a Patagonian Jewish state should have died then and there, but not among conspiracy theorists.

There is a belief among some anti-semitic South Americans, as well as among some Palestinian-Chileans, that Israel still wants to set up a Jewish state in Patagonia (both in Argentina and Chile), as a backup plan, should Israel ever fall.

In 2013, a Chilean senator, Eugenio Tuma, of Palestinian extraction, accused Israel of mapping out Southern Chile, with an eye to taking over Patagonia.

The irony is that it is NOT Jews, but rather Arabs, which have flooded into South America.

Yet, the Andinia Plan, which sounds like lunacy to American ears, can get real consideration in South American cicles. The idea may be preposterous, but people still believe it.

This has led to this:


Posted on YouTube: September 7, 2022

The documentary above is generally considered to be antisemitic in nature, yet there is a constituency in South America that still believes it.

This may be a sad commentary on human beings in general.

Even were someone antisemitic, reason alone should lead one to recognize Plan Andinia as preposterous.


November 16, 2023 – Edited: Had to get a new video for the Andinia documentary.

January 18, 2024 – Edited: Noted that this idiotic propaganda is being pushed by Iran.

Sadly: Chile’s Jewish Students Are Worried Over Hatred

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Chile’s large and very influential Palestinian (mostly Christian) community has added an anti-Israel influence to a lot of Chile’s culture and politics. I do not say all Chileans have this attitude, but it is magnified by the prosperity and clout of Chile’s Palestians. This is sad.

Source: Chile’s Jewish students situation grows worse by the day – opinion – Jerusalem Post – April 18, 2022

… Chile has long been a hotbed of anti-Israel extremism due to its population of half a million Palestinians, but the situation for Jewish students on campus grows worse by the day.

Sadly, the extremism in Chile that is often manifested as harassment of the Jewish community (in particular on campuses) has been largely ignored by Israel and the global Jewish world, as it has continued to grow.

Last week Chile’s Israel hatred finally went viral, with Chile even trending on Twitter in Israel during Chile’s “apartheid week.” The impetus? A visit from Arab-Israeli activist Yoseph Haddad, who spoke on multiple campuses about the cooperation between Arabs and Jews within Israel, contrary to the extremist narrative of the Palestinian community.

A major reason for this flare-up was a visit by Yousef Haddad, an Israeli-Arab who served in the IDF. Mr. Haddad – who says he is a Christian Arab – is a pro-Israel advocate, and the pro-Palestinian students did not appreciate his message.


Posted on YouTube: April 12, 2022

Chile is a bizarre outlier on this.

Historically, Chile has been tolerant and friendly to Jews, but the presence of half a million Palestinians in Chile has distorted the discussion.

Hamas Thanked the Chilean Government

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From a story from July 2020.
On an Evangelical Christian website chilecristiano (Christian Chile).

Source: http://chilecristiano.cl/

The “number two” of the Palestinian Islamic terrorist organization Hamas, Musa Abu Marzuq thanked Chile, Ecuador, Brazil, Peru and El Salvador for calling their respective ambassadors in Israel to consult as a result of the conflict in the Gaza Strip.

“I want to take this opportunity to address our gratitude to the peoples and governments of Brazil, Ecuador, Chile, Peru and El Salvador,” said Abu Marzuk, in Cairo. These countries called their ambassadors for consultations in the last two weeks in protest against what they described as “indiscriminate bombings” and “non-respect for international humanitarian law,” according to the different governments. The deputy head of the Hamas Political Office expressed his “great appreciation to these countries for the solidarity shown with the Palestinian people.”

Regarding the position of the international community, the Hamas leader stressed that it has generally been favorable to the Palestinians, because the Israeli operations have been condemned. His criticism was directed against the United States, which he accused of having “always a partial position in favor of Israel. “” Our children and women are killed with American weapons, “he denounced.


The Christian Website gives the source as Yahoo, but their link is dead. This tracks back to a story in the second week of July, 2020. (Click Here) to see MEMO version.

The real story here is what is at the top of the cited article on ChileCristiano.

Source: http://chilecristiano.cl/

Thanking only the government, the evangelical people support Israel

The Evangelical website has strongly distanced itself from the government position.

As Latin Arabia has noted before, the growing Evangelical Church in Latin America is very pro-Zionist. The Evangelicals have events like a NIGHT TO HONOR ISRAEL. The Evangelicals are often the only group standing against an anti-Israel view.

In Brazil, the present president, Bolsonaro, is married to an Evangelical, and he is very pro-Israel.

In Chile, right now, the Palestinian-Chilean community holds sway. In time, as Evangelicalism grows in Chile – and it is growing – the pro-Palestinian attitude of the government will change.

Chile’s Palestine Federation Works for Terrorism?!

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NOTE: The Federación Palestina de Chile now calls itself the Comunidad Palestina de Chile

Chile’s Palestinian population punches well above its weight. Though only roughly 3% of the population, they seem to have a lock on Chile’s government policies concerning the Mideast.

Numbers can vary, but Palestinian-Chileans are about 500,000 in number, the largest Palestinian population outside the Mideast. This would include people who have intermarried with other ethnic groups. Amazingly, almost all of them are Christian.

This Palestinian-Chilean community has a long history of being opposed to Israel.

In 1947, the Chilean government was agreeable to voting for the partition of Palestine – thus creating a Jewish state. However, the Palestinian community, even at that early date, was able to get the Chilean government to change course and abstain on the UN vote. A noted Chilean UN delegate, Humberto Alvarez (Spanish), resigned in protest over the government’s concession in the matter.

Source: Jewish Virtual Library – Chile Virtual History Tour

In spite of his past record of goodwill toward Jewish aspirations, as president Videla gave in to the internal pressure of the Arab community (100,000 citizens of Arab descent lived in Chile at that time and were known for their financial and political influence) and instructed his delegation to the UN General Assembly to abstain from voting on the resolution to partition Palestine in 1947. Senator Humberto Alvarez, second-ranking member of this delegation, resigned in protest against that decision.

Right now, at this time (September 2020), the Chilean senate passed a resolution recommending that the conservative President Sebastián Piñera consider enacting Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) against Israeli products from Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) – probably against the President’s wishes.

BDS is considered quasi-illegal in much of the United States. Chile’s politicians are acting 180% opposite to what would happen in the USA.


Posted on YouTube: July 9, 2020

So it should not surprise us that Chilean Jews – and the world Jewish community as well – are furious with Chile’s government.

Source: Aurora (Israel)
[Translated by app]
September 2, 2020

The Palestinian Federation of Chile at the service of terrorism

The Palestinian Federation of Chile is at the service of terrorism. That simple

To the innumerable number of publications made in the accounts of the Palestinian Federation of Chile where they justify Hamas terrorism and refuse to point out it as the true culprit of the situation in Gaza, there is now the publication of an opinion article that “whitewashes ”Openly to the Hezbollah terrorist movement.

The article affirms that Hezbollah is “a resistance movement”, ignoring the terrorist activities of the organization financed by Iran (as admitted by its own leader Hassan Nasrallah): from the launching of thousands of rockets against Israel, to terrorist attacks in Europe and Latin America, through participation in the bloody massacre of the Assad regime against the Syrian population.

The fight against antisemitism in Chile is urgent, important and cannot be postponed.

On the other hand, the Palestinian Federation of Chile as an organization, and the members of the Palestinian community in Chile in general, would do well to distance themselves from the toxic extremism that radicalizes the conflict and only moves away peace and coexistence. If we really want to build a future of peace, it must begin with the truth.

What has to be remembered is that Chile is now a borderline first-world nation. It has a government that is reasonably democratic. Moreover, Chile has been historically very hospitable to the Jewish community.

Chile was taking in Jewish refugees from Hitler’s Europe as late as 1940, long after other nations had stopped taking them in.

However, being democratic, it should not surprise anyone that the Palestinians in Chile exercise their franchise. They outnumber Chile’s Jews 30 to 1, and so are able to run roughshod over the Jewish community when it comes to Chile’s Mideastern policies.

One prominent Jewish Chilean has spoken about the Palestinian-Chilean community’s power …

Source: Police in Chile guard Jews after anti-Semitic attacks – JPOST
August 18, 2010

The Palestinian community is to Chile what the Jewish community is to the U.S.

– Gabriel Zalisnek, then president of Chile’s Jewish Federation

As the Palestinians in Chile are overwhelmingly Christian, one could be surprised at their strong anti-Israel position, since we have been led to believe that the Palestinian cause is grounded in Islam, and one might expect that Christians would shy away from it. Even more so, many of these “Chilestinians” are descended from ancestors who fled from Turkish Muslim rule, so one would think they would be doubly shy of any Palestinian cause.

However, that is not the case.

And that bring us to the Federación Palestina de Chile [The Palestine Federation of Chile]. They have amazing clout in Chile’s politics – almost similar to AIPAC in the United States, and they can make or break Chilean politicians.

To the horror of the Jewish community, the Palestine Federation of Chile glamorizes Palestinian resistance to Israel, and thereby glamorizes Hamas and Hezbollah. And this resistance to Israel has spilled over into thinly veiled threats against Chile’s Jewish community for their support of Israel.


Posted on YouTube: June 23, 2015
On the Federación Palestina de Chile YouTube Channel

From the point of view of the Federación Palestina, the Israelis do not want “peace and coexistence,” as the author in the cited Aurora article (above) claims. They see the Israelis as really wanting victory over Palestine and suppression of Palestinian national aims.

There is a degree of truth to that. When opposing sides, in any conflict, claim the same area, one side or the other will have to win. I wish the Israelis were more honest about their goals.

The situation in the Mideast is presently a zero sum game. If Israel wins, then necessarily the Palestinians will lose. There is no way around this.

Given all of this, I find it amazing that the world Jewish community is shocked that Palestinian-Christians act out of accord with Israeli wishes. Did they expect the Palestinian-Chileans to be sturdy Zionists?!

However, the Palestinian cause is intimately connected to Islamic radicalism and that cannot be denied. So it does not have my sympathies. I have to sympathize with Israel.

Ultimately, I tend to agree with the viewpoint of the translated article by the Jewish author, Gabriel Chocron.

While, I understand that the Palestinians in Chile are proud of their ancestry, they have forgotten the persecution that they suffered under Islam, and they seem willing to affiliate with some rather unsavory groups.

NOTE: Though the Aurora webpage is in Spanish, the site seems to be Israeli.


September 4, 2020 – Edited and added text. Added a video.
May 5, 2021 – Added more information about the 1947 UN Partition vote.
February 23,2024 – Note the name change to Comunidad Palestina de Chile

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