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Thursday, June 13th, 2013

Am I really that Crazy?


The Arab side of the story

I am amazed at how both camps (both Palestinian and Zionist) hate Oslo; but for completely different reasons.

And not just Oslo.

Allison Deger, of Mondoweiss ( a pro-Palestinian website) was upset the other day that that the Jahalin Bedouins were being moved to Nu’aimah (Nueimah). –

MONDOWEISS: Israel approves construction to transfer West Bank Bedouin

Meanwhile, Israel National News (a right wing Jewish media outlet) was upset that Israel was even giving the Arabs the city of Nu’aimah, at all. (Read comments) –

ISRAEL NATIONAL NEWS: Yaalon Gives Green Light to PA City in Jordan Valley.

Both sides were upset that the Arabs should be moving to Nu’aimah, but for completely different reasons.

Allison Deger wanted the Arabs to stay in E-1 (the contested area outside Eastern half of Jerusalem); and not be forcibly transferred to Nu’aimah.

Right wing Israelis want the Arabs to have neither E-1 nor Nu’aimah.

 Disgraceful government building Arab tows while destroying J

Disgraceful Israeli government building Arab tows while destroying Jewish towns and settlements. The Israeli government has already decided to withdraw from Judea and Samaria and build another Arab state there. How many more Jews need to die because of this useless, incompetent, and corrupt government?

Shlomo, Jerusalem (1/6/13)

Shlomo does not mention  that part of the reason to give the Arabs  the city of Nu’aimah is to forcibly forcibly clear Jahalin Bedouins out of E-1.   An Arab settlement of Jahalin Bedouins is being destroyed, not a Jewish settlement.  He may not even  be aware of that side of the story.


The Gods toy with men

If this were not so damnably tragic, it would be funny.

This is no possibility for peace – at all – when the same action produces the same violent rejection on both sides – but for completely opposite reasons.

I am Christian, but this looks the Greek view of the Gods of Olympus who confound men with impossible predicaments for their amusement.

If so, this is Zeus’ best production yet.

You think I am crazy when I suggest a generously re-imbursed payment to move the Arabs of Judea and Samaria to South America. Maybe so! Maybe I am nuts.

But, frankly, both sides of the Mideast debate are so thoroughly opposed to each other that my suggestion is the only possible alternative to nuclear war.

It has gotten that severe.

This is all so tragic.

Wednesday, June 12th, 2013

Israel’s Facts on the Grounds

From an English newspaper: The Guardian.

ORGINAL ARTICLE

What you call ‘settlements’ are on solid moral ground

What our detractors refer to as ‘settlements’ are no threat to peace. Others must recognise that we are part of the solution

Catherine Ashton, the EU’s high representative for foreign affairs, is a vocal critic of the Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria. Referring to them as “settlements”, she claimed last week that they “threaten to make a two-state solution impossible” and called on Israel “to immediately end all settlement activities beyond the green line, including East Jerusalem”. Obviously, Ashton has never visited a “settlement”, like almost all of her colleagues in the international diplomatic high echelons. Nevertheless they consider themselves experts on the matter.

One notable exception is the former US president Jimmy Carter, who visited Gush Etzion in 2009. Carter is well known for his harsh criticism of Israel, considered by many as sheer hostility towards the Jewish state. So shocked was he by the reality on the ground, he stated: “This particular settlement is not one that I envision ever being abandoned, or changed over into a Palestinian territory.” The contrast between Carter’s statement and Ashton’s reminded me of a recent statement by Israel’s finance minister, Yair Lapid: “I used to have so many opinions before I learned the facts.”

In 2009 I was invited to meet Tony Blair, the special envoy of the quartet (the UN, US, Russia and the EU) for the Middle East. At the end of our conversation I invited him to visit the communities whose future we had just discussed. He declined, saying: “I can see them from my helicopter.” “From the helicopter,” I replied, “you can’t see the faces, look into the eyes and understand their aspirations.” Blair, like many of his peers, continues to fly over our heads.

More than 360,000 Israelis live in almost 200 communities across Judea and Samaria, with 200,000 more in East Jerusalem. That’s more than half a million people. Our endeavour stands on solid moral ground.

This week marks 46 years since the agonising days of June 1967, when the Arab world physically tried to annihilate Israel. We defeated them and liberated the strategic hills that overlook 70% of Israel’s population. If partition of this contested land was ever the just solution to the conflict, it ceased the moment one side refused. It was not a mere rejection: they launched repeated assaults to take it all by force. Returning Israel to its indefensible nine-mile waistline would once again place us in mortal danger, while rewarding the aggressor.

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And now for the readers’s responses:

FOLLOW UP LETTERS

Israel and facts on the moral ground
The Guardian, Monday 10 June 2013 16.00 EDT

• Dani Dayan’s article turns logic on its head and is an example of the old technique of hoping that if you say something often enough, in this case “solid moral ground” (five times) it will be believed. The settlements are a blatant – and under international law illegal – occupation of land belonging to someone else. Apparently, according to Dayan, the fact that over half a million live there makes them legal. Apparently looking into the eyes and faces of settlers would make the settlements legal.

Apparently the right of Jews to live in certain places is inalienable because they are cradles of Jewish civilisation. On this argument there would have to be hundreds of population exchanges throughout the world – many of claimants who occupied lands far more recently than Jews occupied Palestine.
Joseph Cocker
Leominster

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My own view is nuanced. (The view of LatinArabia)

I do NOT see the settlements as a violation of International Law; but I do see new settlements as a violation of the OSLO ACCORDS – which I think Israel should never have agreed to. In fact, I think Israel should ditch OSLO.

The OSLO ACCORDS prohibit unilateral actions. New Settlements are unilateral actions.

I do not mind if Israel builds new settlements; but Israel should stop the pretense of abiding by Oslo, when in fact it also violates Oslo – the Arabs violate OSLO all the time.

So OSLO should be ditched.

That being said: I think Israel should:

1) Pay young, landless Arabs to leave
2) Slowly enfranchise the remainder over time
3) Annex Judea and Samaria

In the end, the International Law argument used by Israel’s critics is flawed.

That does not mean that everything Dani Dayan asserts is right; but it means the International Law argument used by Israel’s critics is flawed.

Dayan is trying to justify the settlements to a hostile world. He should forget about that.

I cannot tell a Jew he does not have a right to settle the land. I can tell a Jew that he shouldn’t abuse the Arabs on the land – and sadly, some Jews do abuse the Arabs.

However, let’s be honest. The Arabs are often worse.

Settlements are not contrary to International Law, but they are contrary to OLSO. Since neither side obeys OSLO, OSLO should be declared dead.

Thursday, June 6th, 2013

Baladi Orchestra in Orthodox Cathedral, Chile


Arab Night Bingo
San Jorge, Orthodox Cathedral, Chile
the video was posted June 4, 2013, on YouTube

San Jorge (Saint George) is a prominent Orthodox Christian Cathedral in Santiago, the Capital of Chile.


San Jorge, Orthodox Cathedral, Chile

The Orthodox Christian Church in Chile is growing, often by converts into Orthodoxy.

With beautiful dancers like that, it is no wonder why.

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